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8.6

214 reviews

Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel

Palandoken Kayak Merkezi̇, Erzurum, 25100, TR

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8.6

214 reviews

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$93

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Skiing

Spa/Wellness packages

Pet Friendly

Outdoor swimming pool

Kids' pool

Free Private Parking

Free wifi

Turkish/Steam Bath

Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel

Welcome to the Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel, the perfect destination for your winter getaway in Erzurum, Turkey. This 4-star hotel is located in Palandoken Kayak Merkezi, just 4.1mi from the city center. With a total of 214 reviews and a minimum starting price of $93, this ski lodge hotel offers an unforgettable stay.

At Dedeman Palandoken, you can enjoy a range of amenities that cater to your every need. Start your day with a delicious breakfast offered by the hotel. Take advantage of the outdoor swimming pool and kids' pool, perfect for a refreshing dip after a day on the slopes. Relax and rejuvenate at the spa with Turkish/Steam bath and sauna facilities. For the adventure seekers, the hotel offers skiing and ski rental on site. With a 24-hour front desk, room service, and a restaurant, you'll have everything you need for a comfortable stay.

Whether you're a family seeking a ski vacation or a solo traveler looking for relaxation, Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel has it all. Enjoy the stunning mountain views, non-smoking rooms, and free WiFi throughout the property. With a range of services including babysitting/child services and a business center, this hotel caters to all types of travelers. Don't miss the opportunity to experience a memorable stay at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel in picturesque Erzurum, Turkey.

After a day of skiing, come back to Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel and take a dip in our refreshing outdoor pool. With stunning views of the mountains, this seasonal pool offers the perfect spot to relax and unwind. Please note that access to the pool is restricted to adults only, providing a peaceful setting for our guests.

When it's time to satisfy your appetite, head over to Gondol Restoran, the on-site restaurant at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel. With a family-friendly, modern, and romantic ambiance, this Ukrainian cuisine restaurant offers a diverse menu to cater to all taste buds. Whether you're looking for a hearty meal or a romantic dinner, Gondol Restoran has it all.

At Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel, we want to make your stay as convenient as possible. We accept various payment methods including cash, Visa, Mastercard, and American Express, so you can choose the option that works best for you. Rest assured that our friendly staff at the 24-hour front desk is here to assist you with any inquiries or requests you may have during your stay.

With a range of room types available, you can find the perfect accommodation to suit your needs at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel. From the spacious Deluxe Rooms to the cozy Superior Rooms and elegant Junior Suites, our non-smoking rooms provide a comfortable and relaxing atmosphere. Each room is equipped with modern amenities and offers free WiFi throughout the property, ensuring a pleasant stay for all guests.

Embark on your winter adventure and book your stay at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel in picturesque Erzurum, Turkey. With our prime location, fantastic amenities, and affordable prices starting at $93, you're guaranteed an unforgettable experience. Don't miss out on the opportunity to enjoy the slopes and relax in our comfortable accommodations.

Closest airports

Erzurum Airport

9.6mi

Most popular amenities

Skiing

Spa/Wellness packages

Pet Friendly

Outdoor swimming pool

Kids' pool

Free Private Parking

Free wifi

Turkish/Steam Bath

Free spa

Sauna

Beach chairs/Loungers

24-hour front desk

Mountain view

Non-smoking rooms

Bar

Fitness center

Garden view

Elevator

Room service

Restaurant

Terrace

View

Wheelchair accessible

Business center

Upper floors accessible by elevator

Free toiletries

Balcony

Private Bathroom

Parking On Site

Rooms

Deluxe Room

1 Double Bed

410 sqft

Mountain view

Garden view

City view

Private Bathroom

x3

+

Discover the perfect sanctuary in our Deluxe Room, offering breathtaking mountain, garden, and city views. This spacious room accommodates up to 3 adults and 1 child, and features a comfortable double bed, private bathroom, flat-screen TV, and a refreshing tea/coffee maker.

Superior Room

1 Double Bed

280 sqft

Mountain view

Garden view

City view

Private Bathroom

x3

+

Experience luxury in our spacious Superior Room, boasting stunning views of the mountains, garden, and city. Unwind on your private balcony, enjoy a cup of tea or coffee, and relax in comfort with modern amenities including a flat-screen TV, free toiletries, and a cozy double bed. Perfect for a family getaway, our room accommodates up to 3 adults and 1 child, ensuring a memorable stay for all.

Junior Suite

1 Queen Size Bed

430 sqft

Mountain view

Garden view

City view

Private Bathroom

x3

+

Indulge in the serenity of our spacious Junior Suite, featuring breathtaking views of the mountains, garden, and city. Enjoy the comfort of the queen size bed, private bathroom, and balcony while watching your favorite shows on the flat-screen TV. Perfect for up to 3 adults and 1 child, our suite offers a relaxing retreat with modern amenities including a tea/coffee maker and free toiletries.

Guest reviews

8.6

214 reviews

From

$93

Categories of assessments

Cleanliness

8.7

Comfort

8.9

Location

9.5

Facilities

8.4

Staff

9

Value for money

8.6

WiFi quality

8.8

Featured reviews:

🇬🇧

Derya

10

March 2023

They have kindly checked us in early. As soon as we have arrived, our room was already available for us. Much appreciated after a long flight. They have also kindly upgraded us to suit room which was huge. Breakfast and dinners were delicious, had lots of options. Staff were the kindest we could ask for, everyone was very helpful. The hotel was very clean throughout and the room has been cleaned everyday very throughly. Location is excellent. Hotel has every facility you could ask for. Ski and snowboard equipment is available, very convenient.

-

🇷🇺

Igor

8.2

October 2021

biiiig rooms, friendly staff, AMAZING gym - one of the best I tried in Turkey: well equipped, towels, water - thank you!!

a bit funny smell in the bathroom, the hotel is quite old, strong cigarette smell in corridors

🇳🇱

Arda

10

December 2022

Very helpful staff. Good faculties and services. Spacious, comfortable room. Very good good, several times a day.

It’s in hotels control of course but the ski slopes that lead to the hotel were not open yet in late December. Most of the food was freshly cooked but some were obviously leftover from the previous day. Hama/Spa/Gym floor could be a bit more organised.

🇷🇺

Наталия

8.2

February 2023

location, good breakfast

bad restaurant. Awful food, very long awaiting we got the room with separate beds, but we booked one big bed. They couldn’t change it. they didn’t calculate money , that we paid. And after that called us by phone and said that we paid less

🇧🇾

Anna

10

January 2024

Good hotel next to the ski lift. Good food, nice service. Stayed in this hotel 2 times and it was always good.

I would recomend to rennnovate rooms but still nothing critical, everything works and stay is comfortable.

🇷🇺

Alexey

8.2

January 2023

Nice location, it’s just near the gondola lift. The room is clean and cozy. Friendly personnel are ready to help with anything you need.

If I got it right, the profile says ski pass is included, but it’s not. Not a big deal, but I believe the profile should be updated.

🇹🇷

Bulent

10

December 2021

I was going to stay 1 night here, but staff was so great and location was spot on so I decided to extend my visit for several days. I think I will be back to this marvelous hotel in following days. High five to Serap, Gülşah, Gürkan, Ceren and all other staff names I can't remember. Excellent stay. Also bellboy Mehmet is there to help you in anyway so don't forget to tip him.

🇹🇷

M

9.1

April 2023

Best location in the ski center. Very kind and helpful staff. Rooms are comfortable and spacious. Breakfast OK. Prices in the restaurant are fine.

You should tell the children not to touch the piano if they can not play it.

🇺🇸

Shirinr

10

February 2022

Location ! In front of ski resort. Ski and boots rental are inside of the hotel. My room is clean and nice view. I enjoyed haman and gym inside of the hotel. Also there is a nice restaurant, lounge area and the bar. This is my second time I stayed this hotel. All stuff are nice, friendly and helpful. I will come back here again :)

nothing

🇹🇷

Daria

8.2

January 2023

Friendly and helpful personal, very nice and cozy lobby with good drinks. Good food in restaurant. Comfortable location.

Ski equipment was old and bed quality, but normal for use.

🇬🇧

Derya

10

March 2023

10

They have kindly checked us in early. As soon as we have arrived, our room was already available for us. Much appreciated after a long flight. They have also kindly upgraded us to suit room which was huge. Breakfast and dinners were delicious, had lots of options. Staff were the kindest we could ask for, everyone was very helpful. The hotel was very clean throughout and the room has been cleaned everyday very throughly. Location is excellent. Hotel has every facility you could ask for. Ski and snowboard equipment is available, very convenient.

-

🇷🇺

Igor

8.2

October 2021

8.2

biiiig rooms, friendly staff, AMAZING gym - one of the best I tried in Turkey: well equipped, towels, water - thank you!!

a bit funny smell in the bathroom, the hotel is quite old, strong cigarette smell in corridors

🇳🇱

Arda

10

December 2022

10

Very helpful staff. Good faculties and services. Spacious, comfortable room. Very good good, several times a day.

It’s in hotels control of course but the ski slopes that lead to the hotel were not open yet in late December. Most of the food was freshly cooked but some were obviously leftover from the previous day. Hama/Spa/Gym floor could be a bit more organised.

🇷🇺

Наталия

8.2

February 2023

8.2

location, good breakfast

bad restaurant. Awful food, very long awaiting we got the room with separate beds, but we booked one big bed. They couldn’t change it. they didn’t calculate money , that we paid. And after that called us by phone and said that we paid less

🇧🇾

Anna

10

January 2024

10

Good hotel next to the ski lift. Good food, nice service. Stayed in this hotel 2 times and it was always good.

I would recomend to rennnovate rooms but still nothing critical, everything works and stay is comfortable.

🇷🇺

Alexey

8.2

January 2023

8.2

Nice location, it’s just near the gondola lift. The room is clean and cozy. Friendly personnel are ready to help with anything you need.

If I got it right, the profile says ski pass is included, but it’s not. Not a big deal, but I believe the profile should be updated.

🇹🇷

Bulent

10

December 2021

10

I was going to stay 1 night here, but staff was so great and location was spot on so I decided to extend my visit for several days. I think I will be back to this marvelous hotel in following days. High five to Serap, Gülşah, Gürkan, Ceren and all other staff names I can't remember. Excellent stay. Also bellboy Mehmet is there to help you in anyway so don't forget to tip him.

🇹🇷

M

9.1

April 2023

9.1

Best location in the ski center. Very kind and helpful staff. Rooms are comfortable and spacious. Breakfast OK. Prices in the restaurant are fine.

You should tell the children not to touch the piano if they can not play it.

🇺🇸

Shirinr

10

February 2022

10

Location ! In front of ski resort. Ski and boots rental are inside of the hotel. My room is clean and nice view. I enjoyed haman and gym inside of the hotel. Also there is a nice restaurant, lounge area and the bar. This is my second time I stayed this hotel. All stuff are nice, friendly and helpful. I will come back here again :)

nothing

🇹🇷

Daria

8.2

January 2023

8.2

Friendly and helpful personal, very nice and cozy lobby with good drinks. Good food in restaurant. Comfortable location.

Ski equipment was old and bed quality, but normal for use.

Points of Interest Around Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel

Airports

Erzurum Airport

9.6mi

Airports

Erzurum Airport

9.6mi

Restaurants

Gondol Restoran

Cuisines

Ukrainian

Ambiances

Family FriendlyModernRomantic

Pools

Location

Outdoor

Features

With view

Age restrictions

Adults only

Availability

Seasonal

Amenities of Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel

Skiing

Spa/Wellness packages

Pet Friendly

Outdoor swimming pool

Kids' pool

Free Private Parking

Free wifi

Turkish/Steam Bath

Free spa

Sauna

Beach chairs/Loungers

24-hour front desk

Mountain view

Non-smoking rooms

Bar

Fitness center

Garden view

Elevator

Room service

Restaurant

Terrace

View

Wheelchair accessible

Business center

Upper floors accessible by elevator

Free toiletries

Balcony

Private Bathroom

Parking On Site

Amenities of Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel

Accessibility

Auditory guidance

Bathroom emergency cord

Lowered sink

Toilet with grab rails

Upper floors accessible by elevator

Wheelchair accessible

Activities

Skiing

Tour or class about local culture

Additional fee

Bathroom

Bathrobe

Free toiletries

Hairdryer

Private Bathroom

Shower

Slippers

Toilet

Toilet paper

Towels

Bedroom

Linens

Wardrobe or closet

Business Facilities

Business center

Free

Fax/Photocopying

Free

Meeting/Banquet facilities

Additional fee

Cleaning Services

Daily housekeeping

Free

Dry cleaning

Additional fee

Ironing service

Free

Laundry

Additional fee

Common Areas

Shared lounge/TV area

Entertainment & Family Services

Babysitting/Child services

Additional fee

Strollers

Food & Drink

Bar

Breakfast in the room

Coffee house on site

Fruit

Additional fee

Restaurant

Snack bar

Special diet meals (on request)

Tea/Coffee maker

Wine/Champagne

Additional fee

Food & drink safety

Food can be delivered to guest accommodation

Front Desk Services

24-hour front desk

Baggage storage

Free

Concierge

Currency exchange

Invoice provided

Lockers

General

Carpeted

Chapel/Shrine

Designated smoking area

Elevator

Facilities for disabled guests

Family rooms

Heating

Ironing facilities

Non-smoking rooms

Pet Friendly

Room service

Internet

Free wifi

Kitchen

Cleaning products

Electric kettle

Living Area

Sitting area

Sofa

Media & Technology

Cable channels

Flat-screen TV

Satellite channels

Telephone

TV

Outdoors

Balcony

BBQ facilities

Additional fee

Terrace

Parking

Free Private Parking

Parking On Site

Free

Physical distancing

Cashless payment available

Screens or physical barriers between staff and guests in appropriate areas

Room Amenities

Clothes rack

Fold-up bed

Iron

Socket near the bed

Sofa bed

Safety & security

24-hour security

CCTV in common areas

CCTV outside property

Fire extinguishers

Key card access

Safe

Smoke alarms

Safety features

Access to healthcare professionals

First aid kits available

Shared stationery (e.g. printed menus, magazines, pens, paper) removed

Services

Wake-up service

Ski

Ski rental on site

Spa

Back massage

Beach chairs/Loungers

Free

Couples' massage

Fitness

Fitness center

Free

Foot massage

Free spa

Full-body massage

Hand massage

Head massage

Kids' pool

Free

Locker rooms

Massage

Additional fee

Neck massage

Outdoor swimming pool

Free

Public Bath

Free

Sauna

Free

Spa facilities

Spa lounge/Relaxation area

Spa/Wellness packages

Turkish/Steam Bath

Free

Transportation

Airport drop-off

Additional fee

Airport pickup

Additional fee

Airport shuttle

Additional fee

Car rental

Shuttle service

Additional fee

View

City view

Garden view

Mountain view

Pool view

View

Stay rules - Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel

From

$93
  • Check-in / Check-out

  • Pets

  • Internet

  • Age restrictions

  • Curfew

  • Parking

  • Reservations

  • Children and beds

  • Cards accepted at this property

Frequently Asked Questions - Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel

When are the check-in and check-out times for Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel?

Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel permits check-ins after 02:00 PM and expects check-outs to be completed by 12:00 PM.

Is vehicle parking offered by Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel?

Yes, there is free private on-site parking available at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel.

What's the nightly rate at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel?

Accommodation at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel starts as low as $93. Rates could differ based on your room selection and dates. Ensure to enter your dates for the most accurate pricing.

What types of rooms does Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel offer?

The Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel offers deluxe rooms, superior rooms, and junior suites. All rooms are double rooms and are non-smoking. The deluxe room is the largest with a room size of 409 sqft, while the superior room is slightly smaller at 280 sqft. The junior suite is the largest with a room size of 431 sqft and has a queen-size bed. All rooms can accommodate 3 adults and 1 child.

Which amenities can guests enjoy at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel?

Guests at Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel can spend their time enjoying a variety of leisure amenities. They can start their day by skiing on the nearby slopes. After that, they can relax and unwind at the spa, which offers wellness packages and various types of massages. A Turkish/Steam Bath and sauna are also available for guests' enjoyment.

For those who prefer to be outdoors, the hotel has an outdoor swimming pool with a separate kids' pool. Guests can lounge on the beach chairs by the pool or take a refreshing swim. The pool offers a lovely view for guests to enjoy.

The hotel also boasts a restaurant called Gondol Restoran, which provides a modern and romantic atmosphere. Guests can enjoy delicious Ukrainian cuisine in a family-friendly setting.

Overall, Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel offers a range of amenities to cater to the leisure needs of its guests, providing them with a memorable stay.

Does Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel feature a pool area?

The Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel has one pool available. The pool is seasonal and located outdoors. It is also restricted to adults only and offers views.

Does Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel have on-site restaurants?

Yes, the Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel has a restaurant on site called Gondol Restoran. The restaurant offers a modern and romantic ambiance, and it specializes in Ukrainian cuisine.

What methods of payment does Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel accept?

Dedeman Palandoken Ski Lodge Hotel accepts cash as well as major credit card payment methods such as Visa, Mastercard, and American Express.